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Lawrence Lessig and Bill Moyers explore how we can protect our privacy when Big Government and Big Business morph into Big Brother.

Larry and Bill discuss the real issue at hand, which is how to arrive at a surveillance operation that protects civil liberties. The discussion should not be centered around Snowden, whether he’s a traitor, where he’s holed up, or what kind of person he is. That should be the least of our concerns, and is a total distraction.